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Showing posts with label debunking 911 debunking. Show all posts

Sunday, July 4, 2010

An Irresponsible Response

For the last few days I was out of town enjoying an early 4th of July weekend with my family and didn't have any internet during that time. So imagine my surprise when I got back home today to find that I was sent a message from infamous debunker RKOwens4. Here is what he wrote to me.

"Hey buddy. Just wanted to say I noticed you took YouTube up on their profit sharing offer if they are allowed to post advertisements next to and on your videos. They have been sending me these offers for over a year, and my videos get way more views than yours (my total upload views are 2,500,000, yours are 30,800). Yet, every single time I've rejected this offer. Why? Because I'm only interested in spreading the truth, not making money. I've never accepted a penny for making my videos.

So, the next time you and your little truther friends talk about how us debunkers are being paid for doing what we're doing, just remember how hilariously hypocritical you are."

-RKOwens4

Unfortunately for Mr. Owens, his accusations were completely false. I responded with the following:

"I don't know what you're on about. First of all, I have never accused you or any other debunker of being "paid" by anyone to do what you do. I'm sure other truthers have accused you of it, but I have never thought that. Just because I'm a truther doesn't mean I believe everything all other truthers believe. Secondly, I've never accepted any offers from Youtube. The only reason I might have some ads on my videos is because I have some copyrighted material in them. Youtube did inform me of that, but they haven't offered to pay me and I haven't recieved a check yet. Like you, I could care less about making money off this. Next time watch what you say about my videos and motives."

Mr. Owens did apologize (sort of):

"Alright, if what you say is true then sorry."
-RKOwens4

I accepted his apology, and sent him this link to show what I said was true.

I found Mr. Owens' message very intersting because it showed his apparent strategy for how he would respond to my videos. It's been over three months since I released my updated "9/11 Un-debunked" series, and Mr. Owens has made no attempt to legitimately refute a single video. And he is fully aware of them. About two months ago I had a short debate with Mr. Owens about Building 7, and here was his summary of why the building could not have been a demolition:

I directed him to two of my videos, one of which was part of my Un-debunked series:

Sounds of Explosions- How Much Do They Matter?

9/11 Un-debunked Version 2.0: Every Characteristic Of Controlled Demolition

He only responded to the first of my videos discussing the "lack of sound" issue. He essentially criticized it, claiming that I had no proof the explosions featured in the video came from the WTC. He basically missed the whole point of the video, which is that the actual "sound" of an explosion is not neccessary to warrent an investigation into whether explosives were used or not.

I felt it odd that he did not bring up my other video, as it clearly addressed the issue of the lack of explosive flashes in all of the buildings. My video features these three demos that clearly produced no flashes.



Now I was willing to believe he didn't bring up the other video because he genuinely had no response for it, and therefore excepted that this was a misleading argument in the debate over the collapse of the buildings. However, I was shocked to see that about a month later he brought up the exact same arguments to another truther almost word for word.

It seems to me that Mr. Owens has simply chosen to ignore my videos, and instead has decided to make baseless accusations in an attempt to discredit me. Very similar to how debunkers have chosen to avoid any scientific debate over the nanothermite paper and have continuously tried to discredit the authors and the journal. I see a pattern here.

Mr. Owens, you are more than welcome to respond to my rebuttals of your videos, but I don't appreciate the empty accusations. But I'm not usually one to hold a grudge, and I did accept your apology, so I hope we can eventually get back to more civilized debates in the future.

I wish Mr. Owens and everyone else a happy 4th of July.

Tuesday, August 25, 2009

A response to the nuttier response to David Chandler's nutty claims.

A debunker has posted a video in response to David Chandler's recent video "South Tower Smoking Guns".

My take:

The first point I agree with, it probably was just smoke escaping, but their response to Chandler's second smoking gun only focuses on the trail aspect, and not the much more damning fact that the object is falling faster than freefall, as if it was launched downwards. A much more obvious downward ejection can be seen in photographs and videos of the north tower's destruction...

You see that big piece of steel on the right hand side of the picture that's lined up with the roof of Tower 7? In certain videos of the north tower's destruction you can see that it "falls" much faster than the other falling material. The only explanation for this is that the piece had to have been launched downwards by some kind of explosive force.

Included are video clips of the ABC Balzac-Vitry demolition, used to demonstrate how a crushdown is possible. However, although the maker asserts that "Both the upper and lower sections of the buildings [sic] are disintegrated by the buildings [sic] own gravitational energy", they do not show an image of what that building looked like afterwards...

So much for "disintegrated"! Those videos don't debunk anything. In fact they actually demonstrate that a block of falling floors will slow down after colliding with lower floors. Something which Chandler and others have proved didn't happen in the case of the North tower.

As for the projectile, I'm not convinced by it either. I am however now highly intrigued by this missile-like projectile, launched from the collapsing North tower, that hits Building 7.

http://rapidshare.com/files/270158025/NTWTC7HIT.mpg

Related Info:

Click here to see a recent debate on this blog with the same so-called debunker.

South Tower: Exploding Projectile

STEVEN E. JONES: NANOTHERMITE (new DVD) - Watch it online now

Monday, August 24, 2009

Who I am According to Other People

I saw a bio one time that stated a bio is for other people to lie about you, as opposed to an autobiography where you lie about yourself. So here's who I am according to some other people; take it with a grain of salt. :)

"John Michael Talboo has found a unique niche in the movement, monitoring, analyzing, and refuting the hollow arguments of the so called '9-11 debunkers'. I believe valuable insight can be gained by examining and critiquing the 9-11 debunking websites. John Michael and his contributors do a great job and are constantly refining their work to better 'debunk the debunkers'". - Michael Wolsey, visibility911.com

Visibility 9-11 Welcomes John-Michael Talboo and Stewart Bradley of Debunking the Debunkers

"J-M is passionate, careful about the details of being factually accurate, and a helluva nice guy! I'm grateful to call him both a friend and a colleague, and appreciate his courage and energy in this search for truth in our lives and our world." - Janice Matthews, Executive Director, 911truth.org

911truth.org: Debunking the '9/11 Debunkers' With John-Michael Talboo and Stewart Bradley

"Having worked with John-Michael on projects for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth I know him to be a very determined and intelligent individual with strong research skills. He has also shown his worth time and again in other collaborative efforts.

A great asset of John Michael's is his ability to objectively consider the evidence at hand and not become attached to theories or material in the face of new hypotheses or evidence. In this way, the material he analyses and presents is sure to depict the most accurate, unbiased edition of the current research. His ongoing blog, Debunking the Debunkers, is a showcase of his talents.

Indeed, John-Michael's work against the debunkers at his webpage is a valuable contribution in the fight to inform the public of the trickery and deceptions put out in defense of the 9/11 myth." - Gregg Roberts, 911research.wtc7.net, ae911truth.org

"Clearly John-Michael's work reveals himself to be one of the leading research-activists in the ongoing fight to expose the false flag terror attack we all experienced on September 11, 2001.

"From the posts I have seen it is obvious that JM has taken the time to delve into each 911 issue so that the reader can get to the heart of the matter. There is real talent shown in his excellent ability to understand and organise very complex information. Whether it is to expose subtle debunker trickery or to assemble a coherent fact-based argument, based on the best available evidence, each effort is of the highest quality. I am particularly impressed by the multitude of hyperlinked references in each article that back up everything he presents.

With an expert grasp of the 911 issues John-Michael has time and again thoroughly demolished the arguments of the best debunkers and presented clear evidence revealing that 911 must have been an inside job. For this he must be heartily commended. None of us can afford to let the debunkers get away with their dishonest spin - they are destroying our futures.

All-in-all John-Michael comes across as a very intelligent and level headed guy who understands the difference between an unproven hypothetical or speculative position verses one that is grounded on hard evidence. Not everyone has the ability to recognise the difference when faced with the propaganda, spin, and pseudo science put out by the official 911 investigation, the debunkers, and those who support them in the mainstream media.

It is a privilege to be allied to this fine individual. John-Michael Talboo must be listed as a true champion for education, truth and justice. Thomas Jefferson would be proud!" - Steve Weathers, SpookyWeather.blogspot.com