They REALLY oughta know better

Critiques of claims made by several prominent and semi-prominent 9/11 debunkers


-Joseph Nobles/boloboffin of AE911Truth.INFO-

Joseph Nobles’ claims about “free fall” shown to be false.

Mr. Nobles attempts to refute NASA engineer Dwain Deet’s website 7problemswithbuilding7. I show his claims to be false and misleading.

My critique of Mr. Nobles’ “The Big Three: Parts 1, 2 and 3.”

Mr. Nobles claims that other skyscraper fires are not comparable to the Twin Towers and Building 7. I show this assertion to be false.

My take on Mr. Nobles’ claims about thermal conductivity and the eutectic steel.

Mr. Nobles responds to my many refutations of his claims. I respond back here, here, and here.

Joseph Nobles criticizes AE911Truth and Tom Sullivan's credentials. Darcy Wearing and John-Michael Talboo respond.

My thoughts on Joseph Nobles' criticisms of the BuildingWhat? site.

Nobles claims that that the explosion in the 'Seven’s Exploding' video is fake. John-Michael Talboo shows otherwise.


-Mark "Gravy" Roberts-

My extensive critique of Mark Roberts’ video “WTC Not a Demolition.”

Honest mistakes are apparently “big news” to Mark Roberts.

Mark Roberts: 9/11 "Debunker" or just Dishonest?

Mark Roberts debates with Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth on Hardfire.

Scootle Royale and John-Michael Talboo address Mark Roberts’ assertion that the red/gray chips are primer paint.

Mark Roberts claims that “no one said the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe."

He oughta know better: Mark Roberts and the iron spherules.

Email debates, and more about Mark Roberts.


-NASA engineer Ryan Mackey-

Jim Hoffman critiques Ryan Mackey’s essay “On Debunking 9/11 Debunking.”

Mackey insists that the initial tilt of the upper section of the North Tower explains the lack of deceleration in the North Tower. Scootle Royale and I explain why he is incorrect.

Mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti questions Ryan Mackey about claims he made during their Hardfire debate.


-Protec employee Brent Blanchard-

Jim Hoffman replies to Blanchard’s paper “A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT”

Blanchard constantly claims that parts of explosives such as det cord should have been found in the debris. However, a phone conversation with Dr. Steven Jones suggests otherwise.

Former Controlled Demolition Inc. explosives loader Tom Sullivan on Blanchard’s claims about finding parts of explosives in the debris.

Andrea Dreger on Blanchard’s claims about molten metal at Ground Zero. Pg. 145


-Mike Williams of 911myths.com-

John-Michael Talboo examines Mike Williams’ claims about intercepts and the NORAD stand-down.

Forum poster Beached critiques numerous claims made by Mike Williams.*Note: I do not agree with everything on this page.

Mike Williams takes on Pakistan's ISI link to the 9/11 funding. Here’s the other side of the argument. More on this subject here.


-Physical chemist Dr. Frank Greening-

Dr. Greening makes a lazy attempt at refuting the Active Thermitic Material paper. Dr. Steven Jones responds.

Dr. Greening hypothesizes that there could have been natural thermite reactions within the WTC buildings. Mechanical engineer Gordon Ross addresses these claims.

Dr. Frank Legge addresses Dr. Greening’s criticisms of David Chandler’s analysis of WTC 1’s collapse.

David Chandler responds to Dr. Greening’s letter regarding Newton’s 3rd Law and falling buildings.

Andrea Dreger on Dr. Greening’s article “Aluminum and the World Trade Center Disaster.” Pg. 113

Dr. Greening’s theories about what caused the sulfidation of WTC steel are put to the test by civil engineer Jonathan Cole.


-Explosives expert Ron Craig-

Ron Craig debates with Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Former explosives loader Tom Sullivan on Ron Craig’s claims about explosives causing damage to other buildings.


-Mathematician Dave Thomas-

Analysis of Dave Thomas’ debate with Richard Gage, including comments by mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti.

Further analysis of the claims made by Dave Thomas during his debate with Richard Gage.

Tony Szamboti comments on Dave Thomas’ physics model of the WTC collapse.


-Pat Curely and James B. of Screw Loose Change-

Pat Curley debates with 9/11 truth activist Jon Gold.

Pat Curley attempts to debunk the "rebunkers." John-Michael Talboo responds.

After 16 months of debunking Screw Loose Change, James B. comments on the Debunking the Debunkers blog to discuss pretty girls.

Pat Curley: the king of scientific peer-review.

Pat Curley attempts to cast doubt on the results of the Active Thermitic Material paper. John-Michael Talboo demonstrates why he is wrong.

Pat Curley claims that Steven Jones makes a strawman argument, but only exposes his own failed logic and poor research.

James B. claims that “trutherism is a mythology, not a science.” I show why he is completely wrong.

Pat Curley attempts to discredit Sibel Edmonds. John-Michael Talboo exposes his errors.

Pat Curley misrepresents the firefighter testimony and then accuses 9/11 truthers of doing the same thing.

Pat Curley attempts to use the firefighter testimony to prove WTC7 was engulfed in flames. John-Michael Talboo shows why he is wrong.

James B. and Pat Curley attempt to discredit the film Zeitgeist and 9/11 truth through association to a killer. Scootle Royal and I show why these claims are baseless.


-Dr. Zdenek Bazant-

Structural engineer Anders Björkman’s discussion of Bazant’s paper "What Did and Did not Cause Collapse of WTC Twin Towers in New York."

Chemical engineer James Gourley’s discussion of Bazant’s paper “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions.”


-Physicist Manuel Garcia-

Jim Hoffman critiques Manuel Garcia’s articles on 9/11. Part 1. Part 2. Part 3.

Dr. David Griscom addresses Dr. Manuel’s CounterPunch articles on the WTC collapses.

Francisco González comments on Garcia's Sept. 12, 2007 article in CounterPunch.

Dr. Crockett Grabbe on Dr. Garcia’s WTC arguments.

Kevin Ryan shows that Manuel Garcia sees physics that don’t exist.


-Dr. Keith Seffen-

Dr. Crockett Grabbe’s discussion of Dr. Seffen’s paper "Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Center: A Simple Analysis."


-Joseph Welch-

Stewart Bradley responds to Joseph Welch's "15 questions 9/11 ‘truthers’ now need to answer."


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-Ryan Owens/RKOwens4-

Ryan Owens’ debunking videos refuted by my “9/11 Un-debunked” series. Version 1. Version 2.

My open letter to Ryan Owens.

My comments on Mr. Owens’ response to my open letter.

John-Michael Talboo shows Ryan Owens that controlled demolition is possible.

Ryan Owens debates with Debunking the Debunkers blog contributor Stewart Bradley.

Ryan Owens accuses me of taking money for my 9/11 videos. I inform him that he is incorrect.

Jason Bermas addresses Ryan Owens’ claims about the temperatures in the Ground Zero debris.

Mr. Owens makes numerous assertions about WTC7’s collapse. I show his claims to be wrong.

The US State Department uses one of Ryan Owens’ videos as “debunking” of 9/11 controlled demolition theories.


-AlienEntity-

John-Michael Talboo refutes AlienEntity’s video “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: Lies and Distortions,” then debates with him on the subject.

AlienEntity claims his measurements corroborate NIST’s results. I show why he’s wrong.


-Dan Stevens/dsglop-

Dan Stevens appears in Nathan Moulten’s film “Activist.”

Dan Stevens attempts to answer Charlie Sheen’s 20 Questions to Obama. I show why his answers are nonsense.


-K.T. Penn/loosechangeexposed-

My refutation of many of K.T. Penn’s claims.

The many absurd beliefs of K.T. Penn.


-deRoyLight-

Stewart Bradley addresses deRoy's video "Defusing Nanothermite: Integrity."


-dprjones-

Stewart Bradley addresses dprjones' video "Advice and a challenge for 9/11 'truthers'"

Debunking jawsfreak97

John-Michael pointed out this debunker to me because of a video he made regarding the squibs from the WTC. Having made a video addressing this very issue, I felt it was best to respond.



He also made a video attempting to debunk Charlie Sheen.



I felt that this too deserved a response.

Factual back-up, sources, and further research materials:

Un-debunking the WTC Demolition Squibs

Charlie Sheen and Some Facts About 9/11 for President Obama to "Deal With"

http://nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

My Demolition Company

Does New Footage of WTC 7's Collapse Disprove Controlled Demolition Theories?

Larry Silverstein, WTC 7, and the "Pull it" comment

Examples of Top Down Demolition

http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/09/sibel-edmonds-is-credible-and-yes-she.html

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/02/sibel-edmonds-snafus-and-freedom-fries.html

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/02/nitpicking-nitpickers-curleys.html

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/12/tin-foil-hat-wearing-loons.html

CBC: The FIfth Estate- 911 The Unofficial Story Part 3

"Fake" Phone Calls? What The Evidence Shows

The "Tragedy?" of Troy

It seems as if our "old friend Troy Sexton from West Virginia" has had some serious life problems recently.

From The Charleston Gazette:
"Troy Sexton, 36, was removed by a Winfield police officer from the Winfield-South Charleston boys basketball game on Dec. 22 for making several "loud, vulgar and offensive remarks" about Police Chief Harrison Lucas, Putnam County assistant prosecutor Jennifer Scragg said Tuesday.

Sexton also allegedly offered the Winfield officer a T-shirt from his car that he had made with Lucas' picture and the words "dumbest cop of the year."

Sexton pleaded no contest to two counts of domestic battery on Dec. 4 in Putnam County Magistrate Court, and was sentenced to six months in jail and given a suspended one-year sentence and two months of probation. He was arrested in August after holding one of his sons upside-down by the ankle and pushing another to the ground at the boys' midget football practice at Winfield Elementary School...

Sexton has been diagnosed with intermittent explosive disorder and has been seeing a counselor, Peyton said.

Sexton told the court Tuesday he had not consistently taken his medication while on vacation prior to his outburst at his sons' football practice in August."

As if that wasn't enough there is this:

From LA Dodger Talk
"A Dodger film crew interviewed us about the Dodgers chances and mid-way through the interview, someone flipped a switch and Troy went crazy in the interview. My son asked me after it was over “What is wrong with him?” Later that night he was arrested and escorted from Great American Ball Park after an altercation. The end result was that he was banned for life from Cincinnati.

For those who are unfamiliar with this story here is a recap.
For quite some time Troy was very famous among the 9/11 truth movement for phone harassment, and stalking behavior. In one of his finest moments he called BobMcllvaine a piece of trash repeatedly, and made fun of Bob's tears over the loss of his son in the 9/11 attacks.
Troy harassed that poor man beyond patience, beyond anything any human should have to put up with. Troy clearly was trying to provoke Bob into some kind of confrontation that Troy would have taped. (Has he did)
No man I know would have been as gracious as Bob was in the face of that kind of stalking and beyond endurance goading on such a tender subject has the loss of their child.

I have buried a son of my own and neither his father or myself would have been as gracious as Bob was in the face of that kind of stalking behavior or the personal verbal assault attack.

(In Mississippi if you are stalked or assaulted like that verbally, and are on your own property (your car is considered your personal property) and are in fear of being attacked, you get to legally shoot the person assaulting you graveyard dead. It is called The Castle Law. If you are not on your property the law officers in Mississippi will haul the offending persons ass to jail for assault.)

Troy would also call people in the 9/11 movement and tell them things like "why don't you shoot yourself" or as in my case when I was "graced" by Troy's attention he asked me "Don''t you want to kill yourself?" To which I replied: No never thought about it. Why?
To which he replied: Because people are laughing at you.
To which I replied: No they are not .
To which Troy replied: Yes they are.
To which I replied: No one in my world that is important to me, is laughing. Then I Blessed him and hung up the phone. (My children and I were returning from Wednesday night church services so blessings were on my mind) (Troy caught me at the quintessential perfect moment)
Well it seems that Troy's anger issues have become so severe that he can no longer hide them.

I have observed in the past that this kind of irractic behavior from Troy has been openly supported and encouraged by other debunkers and even emulated as a kind of standard of behavior from most 9/11 debunkers I have observed.
They almost foam at the mouth with a form of rabid lunacy behavior that includes explosive anger tendicies, foul language, and name calling. This seems to be the only way they know how to communicate.
It seems that intelligent discourse is something that is clearly beyond them with few exceptions.
They love to tell truthers why we are crazy, while they are exhibiting unstable emotional and mental behavior. We truthers are expected to walk a saintly type of personality line while those who attempt to debunk us get to act like spoiled unmannered bratchildren or common street thugs.
Karma is a bigger bitch than I could ever be and I prefer to let that catch up with them.
Just like it caught up with Troy.

We here at Debunkers the Debunkers blog heard about Troy 's escapades with the law and his seemingly increasing mental /emotional problems some time back. JM and I discussed writing about it when we first heard about it.

It was decided that we would do the right thing and NOT behave as badly as the ones who harassed us. Glorying in and sensationalizing over other people's life issues is not healthy behavior, nor is it the kind of tone we who write for this blog want to promote for this blog.
That kind of thing is a sheeple mentality and if we want sensationalizing over other people's misfortunes, tit for tat mentality, or misinformation, we would just watch TV news, go visit the ScrewLooseChange blog, or read the garbage from the mainstream media.
(I do have to admit I struggled with the tit for tat... ah- ha...gotcha! feeling, but decided that it was beneath me).

However I just have to point out that when a person who supports 9/11 truth have life issues..then they the debunkers do not hesitate to lump everyone together as "those...( insert insult here,) truthers" then proceed to act as badly and uncompassionately as humanly possible.
But when it is someone from their ranks like Troy, then the tone is decidedly different.

The subject of Troy would not go away as our readers kept sending us info on Troy's escapades and obviously wanted to see something about his issues on this blog.
After discussing Troy amongst ourselves a bit more... it was decided that we would address this here for a minute then move on as it is not our way to act as badly as someone else.
To quote Gandhi an eye for an eye mentality just leaves the world blind.
So here it is.
Troy we at Debunking the Debunkers blog hope you get the help you need to restore your inner peace.
I personally hope Troy has some form of enlightenment and comes out of this with a new compassion and empathy for others that brings him abundant joy to his world and to his heart.
I hope he understands and learns that working from grace and love is a far more enjoyable life experience.
It is a sad and tragic thing to be so tormented, so miserable inside as to enjoy attacking others or have to inflict misery on others just to make yourself feel important, feel correct, or feel just a little better.
While I am not feeling sorry for Troy... because it is clear he worked very hard to land in jail, and got what he deserved........
unlike others, I do have the normal human empathy that many debunkers seem to be lacking ..
Troy if you read this.. Healing Blessings for you. Your children deserve an emotional healthy father.

Who I am According to Other People

I saw a bio one time that stated a bio is for other people to lie about you, as opposed to an autobiography where you lie about yourself. So here's who I am according to some other people; take it with a grain of salt. :)

"John Michael Talboo has found a unique niche in the movement, monitoring, analyzing, and refuting the hollow arguments of the so called '9-11 debunkers'. I believe valuable insight can be gained by examining and critiquing the 9-11 debunking websites. John Michael and his contributors do a great job and are constantly refining their work to better 'debunk the debunkers'". - Michael Wolsey, visibility911.com

Visibility 9-11 Welcomes John-Michael Talboo and Stewart Bradley of Debunking the Debunkers

"J-M is passionate, careful about the details of being factually accurate, and a helluva nice guy! I'm grateful to call him both a friend and a colleague, and appreciate his courage and energy in this search for truth in our lives and our world." - Janice Matthews, Executive Director, 911truth.org

911truth.org: Debunking the '9/11 Debunkers' With John-Michael Talboo and Stewart Bradley

"Having worked with John-Michael on projects for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth I know him to be a very determined and intelligent individual with strong research skills. He has also shown his worth time and again in other collaborative efforts.

A great asset of John Michael's is his ability to objectively consider the evidence at hand and not become attached to theories or material in the face of new hypotheses or evidence. In this way, the material he analyses and presents is sure to depict the most accurate, unbiased edition of the current research. His ongoing blog, Debunking the Debunkers, is a showcase of his talents.

Indeed, John-Michael's work against the debunkers at his webpage is a valuable contribution in the fight to inform the public of the trickery and deceptions put out in defense of the 9/11 myth." - Gregg Roberts, 911research.wtc7.net, ae911truth.org

"Clearly John-Michael's work reveals himself to be one of the leading research-activists in the ongoing fight to expose the false flag terror attack we all experienced on September 11, 2001.

"From the posts I have seen it is obvious that JM has taken the time to delve into each 911 issue so that the reader can get to the heart of the matter. There is real talent shown in his excellent ability to understand and organise very complex information. Whether it is to expose subtle debunker trickery or to assemble a coherent fact-based argument, based on the best available evidence, each effort is of the highest quality. I am particularly impressed by the multitude of hyperlinked references in each article that back up everything he presents.

With an expert grasp of the 911 issues John-Michael has time and again thoroughly demolished the arguments of the best debunkers and presented clear evidence revealing that 911 must have been an inside job. For this he must be heartily commended. None of us can afford to let the debunkers get away with their dishonest spin - they are destroying our futures.

All-in-all John-Michael comes across as a very intelligent and level headed guy who understands the difference between an unproven hypothetical or speculative position verses one that is grounded on hard evidence. Not everyone has the ability to recognise the difference when faced with the propaganda, spin, and pseudo science put out by the official 911 investigation, the debunkers, and those who support them in the mainstream media.

It is a privilege to be allied to this fine individual. John-Michael Talboo must be listed as a true champion for education, truth and justice. Thomas Jefferson would be proud!" - Steve Weathers, SpookyWeather.blogspot.com